Teaser - Podger en Plesch

So in our system, you are always conscious that your tenure is at risk.
And while people are being sacked, that was very clear in your mind...
but I think it's become much clearer over more recent years.
One of the questions I get asked most often is:
What makes a minister successful or a ministry successful?
And you just put it... You have a senior civil servant and a minister who really get on...
are honest with each other and respect each other.
It doesn't often happen.
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